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Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:21 AM
i'm not anonymous on most of discord
12:21 AM
just on plural
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Deleted User
i assume they didn't react badly?
Not at all; they all went with a "I'm still your friend btw". Some did said they're a bit unconfortable and to not bring it up too much near them and that's understandable and we're still great friends despite it.
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Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:23 AM
doesn't sound very open
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Deleted User
i'm not anonymous on most of discord
I think that depends on the type of servers you are. Are you in friendgroup servers or school servers and things like that? Yeah, you'd be public about who you are. In open-to-anyone servers you'd stay anonymous.
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Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:23 AM
i am on a few public big servers where people know who i am
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A long kiss goodnight 2/4/2022 12:23 AM
you all will have huge problems finding a partner if you are planning to open up
We're aware. But honestly, I'm okay with that. I would rather find the right person than live forever with the wrong one. If my girlfriend doesn't like me for who I am, ultimately I won't be happy in that relationship. We're hoping that if we go down that path she won't know about Gray until later, but who knows. We're young, we have time to figure this out
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Deleted User
doesn't sound very open
They didn't break up the friendship or asked me to stop, they just said they were unconfortable and I respect that.
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Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:23 AM
I know some tulpamancers from local community irl too btw.
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A long kiss goodnight
you all will have huge problems finding a partner if you are planning to open up
We're aware. But honestly, I'm okay with that. I would rather find the right person than live forever with the wrong one. If my girlfriend doesn't like me for who I am, ultimately I won't be happy in that relationship. We're hoping that if we go down that path she won't know about Gray until later, but who knows. We're young, we have time to figure this out
Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:24 AM
well, matter of priorities, everyone picks their own
12:24 AM
not something i can or even should think of argueing against
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I know some tulpamancers from local community irl too btw.
How did you find them, btw'? Pure chance or did you like went to a convention or smthing'? I live in a big city and would like to know how to haha'
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Deleted User
I know some tulpamancers from local community irl too btw.
Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:25 AM
beside your headmates? 😳
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Deleted User
beside your headmates? 😳
Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:26 AM
Yeah, some people from my country I met in national community.
12:28 AM
I don't like the idea of compromising on who I am just to fit in to the group. I can always find another group or remain lonely.
12:29 AM
you still probably compromise on which parts of you you show to other people
12:30 AM
Yeah. You don't have to show everyone everything about myself. Why is a stranger supposed to know about my inner world?
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💯
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my point from the start
12:31 AM
But the SO from your example before isn't a stranger.
12:32 AM
I have no intention of having friends who don't accept parts of me I consider significant. Neither a partner who doesn't.
12:33 AM
And while it's not something I'm even going to tell all of my friends, I think that I'd expect a potential partner to know about this part of me and accept it.
12:34 AM
I am a mother of two children and i want them to know me as much as they can, but there is no point i am ever going to tell me about what is going on in those aspects
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would you tell your children?
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Question. How is it like, the relationship of you all and these children? Are all of you attached like you guys are all father/mothers or something different?
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Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:35 AM
do you think children knowing about tulpamancy and having "multiple parents" in one body would help them?
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Question. How is it like, the relationship of you all and these children? Are all of you attached like you guys are all father/mothers or something different?
Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:36 AM
the more important question is what everyone here thinking about "being open and red flags" think about opening up to their 5 year old children about it (edited)
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would you tell your children?
Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:36 AM
Eventually, yes. I am a median though and I wouldn't exactly expect them to see me as a few different people.
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It's definitely a complicated topic and depends on how exactly it is
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Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:36 AM
I'd just be part of their dad 🤷‍♀️
12:37 AM
there is no way i would support a parent telling about tulpamancy to a child that hasn't developed their own solid identity yet
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I definitely wouldn't tell if you're literally 30 different people every month but if it's like a static few tulpas probably after a certain age'
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Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:38 AM
i think these are things that you need to consider long term (edited)
12:38 AM
I'd probably tell them about my imaginary friends, not introduce them to community.
12:38 AM
at one point it will not be about you, but about little people you bring to the world
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I don't think we'd still be around by that point; we are median so by that point we hope to be together in 1 identity, with maybe once or twice comming out
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I'd probably tell them about my imaginary friends, not introduce them to community.
Saying stuff like "It's OK to have imaginary friends I do too" and stuff like that I can definitely see happening; a full-on explanation only when they're ready at like 15 or 18 or smthing' but a "kid-fied" version of it is definitely something I'd say or mention
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Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:40 AM
anyway, you can see me talking more from the perspective of "the social mask", but i would call it "the big picture" maybe. i don't call them "the body's children" or "the host's children". that state is not a headmate, not a median, just a state that i think everyone should have shared between their
12:40 AM
I agree with you on that , ultimately we are a one human being regardless of tulpamancy and other stuff.
12:41 AM
and that's healthy
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I agree with you on that , ultimately we are a one human being regardless of tulpamancy and other stuff.
Same'
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Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:42 AM
That's just a fact to accept. Forcing yourself to be like literally a few completely individual people could be very unhealthy.
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yeah that's what i've been telling from the start
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you need to stay functinoal and healthy
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that's the top priority
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at least should be imo
12:43 AM
not the individuality or wanting to have separate life
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you need to stay functinoal and healthy
Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:43 AM
Yeah. But having tulpas itself doesn't need to be an obstacle here.
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i'm not sure if you read the conversation from the start, but i was talking about how to make it not an obstacle from the beginning
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i'm not saying it's always an obstacle
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And there is a place for some individuality, you don't always need to compromise on your individuality.
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I'd say that sacrificing it doesn't have to be healthy either.
12:45 AM
Like, with your example of a SO telling us to withdraw from the community.
12:45 AM
it wasn't an example about you
12:45 AM
I'd say it's unhealthy to stay in toxic relationship and sacrifice yourself to make it least. Just break up with person who doesn't accept you.
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sure, which is why i brought up another example with my children
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it was more towards Ranger who said they promise they will never change X Y and Z
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I was exploring how far they would push it
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how actually important it is for them
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Saying "never" can always be a potential lie.
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anyway i need to go to sleep, good talk, good night
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Good night.
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@Deleted User The more I read you and the more I respect you, it's a strange feeling, because my tulpa doesn't share it at all
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Good night'
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And good night
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A long kiss goodnight
I promise I will always be Ranger, no matter what. Switched-in, in the back, guide writer, the guy eating too much cake, a little curious about writing code, all of that is still me, even when I'm doing things that are similar to my other headmates I would have to integrate or dissipate to be gone forever (edited)
A long kiss goodnight 2/4/2022 1:13 AM
I should clarify that I will always be me, but my interests aren't fixed. I could develop into a different person over time, but I'm not going to be a completely different person tomorrow
1:17 AM
I like tulpamancy and guide writing now, but I'm not going to change my mind anytime soon unless someone could convincingly prove tulpamancy is the root of all evil or something. On the SO example- if my SO doesn't like who I am, I'm going to have a difficult time being in a relationship with them and I would want out
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there is no way i would support a parent telling about tulpamancy to a child that hasn't developed their own solid identity yet
A long kiss goodnight 2/4/2022 1:22 AM
I personally don't like the idea of telling a child about tulpamancy either, I would rather wait until they're an adult and they express wanting to know. I don't mind if my ideal future child has an imaginary friend and forgets about them in a few months or even a few years, if they want to revive them as a tulpa that's a choice they can make as an adult. If they find out about tulpamancy as a teenager, I would most likely mentor them myself. I don't want them to pick up a harmful mindset or fall apart.
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I agree with Ranger there'
1:24 AM
It's not something I'd intentionally push them towards. I'd be mostly just "one of those crazy things your parents used to do like playing the guitar or being the top dog at the arcade but don't anymore" kind of thing.
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A long kiss goodnight 2/4/2022 1:25 AM
One of my fears about normalizing tulpamancy is my child getting bullied or teased about it. If things go as I expect, being the child of two moms would be hard enough
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I have no idea how old you are or how far your relationship is but in my case I don't think a gay couple would be that outlandish in the future I don't think'
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A long kiss goodnight 2/4/2022 1:27 AM
I'm in my 20's and I don't have a girlfriend yet
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Fair, so same age range then'. I think in 20 years, at least where I live it wouldn't be a big thing for that to be the case. Well, it isn't where I am right now either so yah'
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A long kiss goodnight 2/4/2022 1:30 AM
These are desires I have, but things could change. I was excited about being a dad until I realized I'm not trans. Right now I'm just gender confused, but the body will probably stay female moving forward
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Are ya well?
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A long kiss goodnight 2/4/2022 1:31 AM
I embraced being female, didn't quite make it all the way, and now I alternate between my "troll" form and occasionally my male form
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All weird because I didn't think I wanted a female form in the first place, but I guess it made me feel better?
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You as in you the tulpa/host or as in the system?
1:34 AM
We're in a similar spot but not confused'. We sometimes are female when we're Lia Anna or Luana but we as a whole are male. I enjoy being the brash and outgoing that I am but sometimes it's nice to spend some time as Lia ya' know? That doesn't apply to how your system works afaik but don't be afraid to feel feminine or mascule for a while; it's OK and even refreshing sometimes
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A long kiss goodnight 2/4/2022 1:35 AM
In short, I'm considering being gender fluid myself, Gray is gender-fluid (I guess), and my other headmates are male. The body is female.
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Gray has been more fluid in the past, lately he's embraced his male form. For all I know anything could change and suddenly she'll be female or "both genders". I think that's kind of complicated, I'm cool with being nonbinary
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That's fair haha. I guess we are a bit fluid too, considering our whole "we're different facets of one person" thing, but I don't think I'd say we are gender fluid as a whole.
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Gray | Shadow System BOT 2/4/2022 1:38 AM
I used to change my gender every day. After that, I changed it every few months
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Ooh, that's interesting
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Gray | Shadow System BOT 2/4/2022 1:38 AM
I mostly go by my male human form now. I think I haven't genuinely changed in months
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I see'
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Gray | Shadow System BOT 2/4/2022 1:39 AM
Maybe Ranger stole my gender-fluidness :P
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By the way, if you don't mind us asking, what's really the dynamic between you guys? I've heard bits and pieces here and there but don't really know much
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Gray | Shadow System BOT 2/4/2022 1:40 AM
Complicated
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Well, what isn't haha?
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Gray | Shadow System BOT 2/4/2022 1:40 AM
My system in general? Hot mess
1:41 AM
My system doesn't have the most complicated lore for sure, but it's up there
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System lore?
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Gray | Shadow System BOT 2/4/2022 1:45 AM
I came to the forums in 2018 asking for help about evil tulpas, I was scared about hurting Ranger, Ranger was afraid of our wonderland and I thought you could only talk to tulpas in lucid dreams. Oh, and I accidentally muted Ranger week 1 and she scared the hell out of me proving she's sentient. That's how we started tulpamancy. That's not including my headmates, us trying to learn how to switch, our system shrinking, etc
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Ohh, I see. I thought you meant like, "background"; I've seen a few systems that like, wrote out detailed backstories for each tulpa with at the end "of course none of that happened and she's just in my head and she knows it but we still like to pretend this all happened" and that always weirded us out
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Gray | Shadow System BOT 2/4/2022 1:48 AM
Some of my headmates do have lore lore, but honestly it's hard to tell what's lore and what's forcing with my headmates. I remember recording Tom and another headmate deviating back in 2016
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All of my headmates have complicated stories too, and enough history they probably have personal advice they could give.
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Oh, I see'
1:51 AM
None of us are, well, like that. We just, kinda exist'. The only ones who are anything more "special" is Nick or Anna; Anna was more-or-less accidental and Nick was Faz being kinda upset at his negative traits so he split 'em up to talk with them and try sorting it out.
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